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You asked?

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How far is it?

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How far is it?

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How far is it?

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A mile.

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A mile.

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A mile.

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This is roughly about what, eight or ten miles north of Flemington?

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Flam.

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About that far from Lake Tew.

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Yeah.

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But we run together, of course, was this experience that you had.

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I've read about it in the newspaper and I think it's a good thing the person who spoke

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in the Mrs. Trasko before, right?

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So suppose Mrs. Trasko, you just tell us what happened when, in your own words?

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Well, I came from work and I went down to speak at the door and I got alongside a half

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day, why is this, you recall?

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I was two months after what there was every quarter of November.

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Oh, right, but I didn't get a newspaper article.

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So now as I understand we've determined that this happened on November 6th on a Wednesday

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night.

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So what time do you go home from work, Mrs. Trasko?

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I come home once I've got five o'clock.

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What type of work do you do?

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I'm working at the pike home.

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I'm going down towards a barn and I look, I say, hello, man, but we have pegs there.

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I couldn't notice the saucer.

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So he started coming down towards me and he says, don't be afraid, I don't mean no harm.

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So I got to look closer to him and start talking to some of the dog.

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Then he says, we're family people and it doesn't mean no harm.

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I got a start shaking on, scared, but I tell him I'm a barn door dolphin and he can get

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me, says, when you want me, dog, you like to have him.

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I swear I'm a son.

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Then he gets clenching around.

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He says, well, if you sit here again, you think it was a wrong object.

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And it seemed to be holding down the ground and went up again and called.

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I turned feet high and come down again and it come down to the trees there.

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I come towards the barn again and then all of a sudden it's one so fast around.

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Do you see the man there?

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And then, you know, right up in the end, that's a big screen of smoke, a smoke or flare.

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He's five o'clock with the dress, though, you know, would have been half the fog.

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It was a dissonant dog.

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It was still a dust.

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Yeah, you can see, because I sit there and I look out there and from where she was standing

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in the kitchen, she couldn't see the man because of the bushes, but she could see the saucer.

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Well, the first thing that attracted your attention as I get it was your wife knocking on the window pane.

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And as you say, she indicated to you to put her fingers towards the barn.

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Now walking along the side, had you been to the house already?

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Broward or you were just a rival of Broward?

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Well, I came to the house.

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He came home?

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Oh, well, then he went on the side.

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He went out to the door.

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He went out to the door.

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But she pointed that way towards the back of the house towards the barn.

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Did you immediately see this man?

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Yeah.

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And at that time, with just one man, you saw, just one man, about half way away, was he?

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I was so blind.

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And he came in one minute and then she was gone.

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I was so blind, but from here, I was about 20 feet.

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About 20 feet?

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About 20 feet.

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And what was his reaction?

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Well, he started walking towards me.

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Well, I don't know, I see, he was by the barn there and he walked upon the hedges where

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he walked probably about, maybe about five to eight feet.

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And I kept going down slowly towards him.

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We were right here.

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But that was fun, yeah?

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What was the need for you to say anything to you?

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Well, he says to me, don't be afraid, we're friendly people, we don't mean no harm.

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Would you close the event of the fire away?

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Well, he was, I'd say about six feet from me.

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You never got any closer.

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When he said that, how did he feel?

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Like an American?

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No, he talked about an English, it's sort of like a German accent.

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About the tone of his voice.

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And the voice was sort of like a squeaky voice.

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Squeaky?

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Yes, squeaky voice.

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A German accent?

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I mean, very easy to understand, it was difficult.

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It was easy to understand because he talked very slow, so it was easy.

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He talked very slow, slow.

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And sort of on a sharp, squeaky sideline.

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Well, he said, and so he says, don't be afraid, how would you answer?

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Well, I sure would.

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Well, then that would be right away.

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Well, frankly.

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Well, I get the fact that he said, don't be afraid, we don't mean be harm or something like that.

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I would either answer him then or, I mean, what the fuck did he say?

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He said, hey, John.

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He said, don't mind.

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He was here.

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Yeah.

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Well, can you describe his appearance a little more, of course?

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Well, he was, well, I'll say about three to four feet tall.

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And I didn't see no flesh.

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The only flesh I seen was of his face.

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A flesh on his face was sort of like if you take a putting a knife in your hand and you squeeze it like that.

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The flesh on his flesh was, you know, formed.

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Did you hear there was a flesh on his face?

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Yes, flesh on his face.

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Now, when he was standing with a white snapper or how well could you see him?

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Well, I could see him pretty good.

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John O'Likes, that's on November 6th about how light and dark it is then.

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Well, which is from the, just like now, at 5.30 or 24.00, 6.00, it's just start time and, you know, from there.

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What was his son going to start on?

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He could see clearly that I mean, you know.

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How high would you say he was?

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About three to four feet tall.

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Three to four feet.

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Well, let's see.

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Can I understand that?

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Now, I'm about six foot up to what part of me would you say he's tall?

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Well, I'd jump on myself.

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He would come up to here to me.

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Let's see, that would, would that be three, four, just about three feet.

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No more, like a little less, I imagine.

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I could imagine that.

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The most, the usual proportion, as far as you would see, is by the arm, or the short, or, his arms were, according to his size, to a short.

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Well, I mean, he was so cobbled.

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He has sort of like cobbles on him.

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He couldn't see his hand, you know, his hands, or other part of body, but just the face that he is.

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Did they cover his hands?

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His hands, and un-tip his gloves, sort of around objects, or was shiny objects.

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He'd stick it on his finger.

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Well, would this be like a glow, or like electrical, like a bow?

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Well, there weren't lift, but there was shiny, plastic or whatever.

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I wouldn't know.

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Would it have everything?

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Another thing again.

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Now, how far did these cobbler walls extend?

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Was it one solid piece over the other with head work?

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No.

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It covered the body to the neck.

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Do you only think he wore on his head as like a, like a tan?

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Like a scarf in layers?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now, could you notice the ears at all?

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Well, I don't know. I didn't pay much attention to the ears.

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It seemed like it was the ears we have, you know, the same shape.

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How about his nose?

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His nose was kind of on the, well, it came out this way, like, in the eyes, sideways.

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With a flat nose?

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No, it was like we have, but it kind of seemed wide to me.

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Broader.

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Broader.

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As long as you just pushed out, that was it like that.

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But it's the natural nose, but covered up the larger area.

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What do you say about that?

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I was Mr. Dressper.

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His eyes were sort of like a marble.

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In other words, they were like five eyes, you know, thick, droopy, and zarkis.

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So any eye width, as you can notice, eye width.

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The color of his face was sort of like a putty color, you know, brown.

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I mean, I didn't notice no eyebrows or anything.

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I looked with people looking at his face, you know, with a skin.

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He got dented and nourished, you know.

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How about his mouth?

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I think that sort of a heavy lips was the size of the mouth, so I wouldn't really expect the person.

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In me, I guess it was.

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That was four mounted size cheeks.

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Kind of, you know, like I was talking before.

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Like, the putty is squished in.

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I looked at me, you know.

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The safe part, yeah, it assumed he'd be in a rather grayish color.

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You know, you know.

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Now, gentlemen, is this the only part of his face that would be exposed, would be the face?

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If you were asked to describe it generally in some type of color,

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color would just open the dress, you know.

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Well, his face, it was.

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Well, his face was, I would say on a light brown side on the corner, like, I said, like a putty.

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A light brown.

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Yeah, like on face.

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And I looked at the colors I was clothing.

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The colors were sort of a, well, it wasn't dark green,

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it was sort of on a light shade.

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It wasn't light, it wasn't too dark.

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Maybe me, you might say, medium green.

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At this particular point where you were talking with any lights nearby,

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showing out the house, the lights out at that time, or no.

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Now, how far does this meet from your neighbor's house next door?

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Neighbor's?

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There are people next door here there?

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Yeah, there's people there.

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There's people with attention coming here.

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How far is the neighbor's house?

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The white house right over there.

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Right next to it.

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Is that right close to your ear, Hanlund?

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Well, there's near a shack, right?

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I think so.

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Every two years?

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Oh, it's about 50 feet.

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About 50 feet.

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Oh, right, we've got a description out of now.

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The arms didn't have like a monkey or a can like that, I'd say.

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No, he stood very straight.

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Did you notice the type of shoes he had around?

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Everything was covered up.

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Yeah.

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One of the ways he said the cover was covered with shoes,

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the cover was covered with shoes and his hands, you know.

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How far is the character here?

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It's like, you know, what Fonte had sort of a big box,

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but they don't flat around.

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What color were they usually?

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Shiny.

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Shiny side.

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Shiny side?

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I don't know if I was there, they gave up light or I would know,

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but I mean, it was shiny white.

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I mean, one of the things we try to ask you is,

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do they look like the analytes out of nowhere?

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They're shiny.

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They're shiny, or shiny.

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I mean, there would be, for instance, if we take the client I'd be in,

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or somebody would laugh, they would have to shine along with that.

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I mean, you take a glance, even though there's no sun on us now.

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It's just so, it's only shining, you know.

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Okay.

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Have any hair?

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I didn't notice any hair.

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What kind of a material does this thing look like?

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It was made from cotton, or rayon, or wool, or nylon.

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Oh, no.

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No.

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Oh, no.

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It didn't look like your shirt or anything like that.

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Or like a regular pair of coveralls would be cotton.

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Probably a pair of coveralls, you know.

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Yeah.

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That wasn't shiny though.

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No.

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You didn't notice how the material was dressed though?

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Well, he walked straight, short steps, and he walked very slow.

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You see, the light in his feet, the happy hours feet, you notice?

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I guess, walk wide, I guess, that's why he said that.

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Well, because, I mean, the way he walked, he walked slow, you know.

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I would say he walked very light.

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I mean, a lot of the smaller ones seemed to be just would indicate that he saw a light on his feet.

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I mean, heavy, wanted to walk slow, wouldn't it?

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Yeah, but there was no people on the street.

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What was the tracks there or nothing?

248
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How was the weather this day, by the way, you recall?

249
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The one rainy clear, and all was clear during the day, you know.

250
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Well, all right, you've had a description of the market.

251
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Is there anything you have ever seen in pictures that would resemble anything like Ruffles Dill,

252
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or something like that in a fairy tale?

253
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Well, I can't remember some objects which, to compare, are purposeful.

254
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I had a good sketch with the trace, you know.

255
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000
No.

256
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I was going to do possibly a good drive, I guess, sketch there, and take a picture.

257
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You have a little thick brother on tape, and you're speaking about his mother, Holy Ghost,

258
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I don't remember.

259
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I don't know your home picture.

260
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The picture of a caption.

261
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It just went, what?

262
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Look out there, old man.

263
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Oh, my good young man dancing.

264
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That was the brother of the old man?

265
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Yeah.

266
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I'm only a home-shipping old man, John.

267
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Oh, I see.

268
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These pictures that you mentioned, take out of the camera.

269
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I'm going to have to wrap them in a bag of red cotton.

270
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What do they both represent?

271
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They're flying saucers, they're taking over California in 54-57.

272
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That's going to be a picture of somebody who was captured.

273
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Yeah, I think it was in New Mexico, wasn't it, John?

274
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Oh, no, no.

275
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A man and a woman had this old dive, the whole space, these arms, and where they were standing,

276
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they had a hole, just like a child in the hidey-sarms way, at the whole space, these hands,

277
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and he was just there and he looked just like John described it.

278
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But he was, that was the first time I'd seen him, it's about a couple weeks ago.

279
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So where is that the pictures from, do you know?

280
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I've never heard of that picture.

281
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From California.

282
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Who knows, I swear, from home.

283
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Did you mention the name, girl?

284
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I don't find out.

285
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Is it Van Tapsel or the damn speed, Scully?

286
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Do you actually have a new job?

287
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I didn't even read it, no.

288
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The address.

289
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The line was rather over, I think, generally.

290
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Oh, he's the legend.

291
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:52,000
Well, I'm going back again with a conversation.

292
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,000
When you swore out, what did he say then?

293
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Why did he say nothing?

294
00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000
But then he started to make part of the thong.

295
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You remember what specifically he asked about the job, he said somewhat, I mean, but I mean, I just was scared.

296
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But he's the legend, he's got to know something, he's the same, get in the thing to go.

297
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When he asked about the dog, did he have the dog with you?

298
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The dog was tied right down there.

299
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Oh, listen, the dog we have here now, one hour now.

300
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000
No, faith, faith.

301
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000
Great, great black dog.

302
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000
What, what is the dog's reaction to him, by the way?

303
00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000
Oh, he was...

304
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000
He's gone crazy.

305
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He ran on Cycles there.

306
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He's a...

307
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Probably blind.

308
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000
Hard and blind.

309
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Just, well, about all gone.

310
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But the dog, he looks like the German Shepherd type or...

311
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000
The German Shepherd type.

312
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,000
Was he barking before you went down there?

313
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Yeah.

314
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000
He was.

315
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,000
Was he on a leash or was he trying to go for this party?

316
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,000
Well, he was just going around there in circles, the dog was, because he couldn't see, you know.

317
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000
How did you find the dog?

318
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:13,000
Well, we had a big pile of rocks there, and then rocks all fell down the bank, practically.

319
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,000
Had a big pile of rocks, maybe about three to four feet high.

320
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000
What floor is that?

321
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000
I don't know.

322
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000
A pile of the kicked...

323
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000
So we have...

324
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Back up on is a creek.

325
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:31,000
And every time we have a big rain or something, and wash, wash some ground, you know.

326
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000
So I stopped rolling up rocks.

327
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000
So I left, parlor, maybe about three to four feet high.

328
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,000
And by that time I could have, you know, scattered my rum more.

329
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000
So I left parlor, rock, just a few, practically.

330
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000
Well, when did you notice that?

331
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000
I noticed that next morning, I went down there.

332
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000
Did the rocks disappear or they spread?

333
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,000
They spread, well, I mean, they spread.

334
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000
Yeah, but did they do okay at the end or what?

335
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000
I don't know.

336
00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,000
And you saw this man, if the rocks was not, I didn't notice.

337
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:09,000
Well, it thought it kept going up and down, you know, tied up on a chain, a big heavy chain.

338
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000
Well, after you swore at the man, did he ask you about the door?

339
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000
Did you swear at him before or after he asked the doger after?

340
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000
I think I swore at him before.

341
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000
I don't know before or after.

342
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000
What did he say?

343
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,000
No, before.

344
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,000
I think I was going down to Paulism, I swore at him.

345
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000
Did he ask you, tell you why he wanted the dog?

346
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000
No.

347
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,000
You didn't ask him why he wanted the dog?

348
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,000
No, he didn't ask him.

349
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:42,000
Did he say he just wanted to, was it your impression that he just wanted to see the dog or was it your impression that he wanted to take it?

350
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,000
My impression, he wanted to take the dog.

351
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:52,000
Well, then, after he refused the dog, we might use that terminology. What happened then?

352
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000
Well, he didn't say none.

353
00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,000
He turned around, so walking towards the sorcerer there and...

354
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,000
When did you first notice the sorcerer?

355
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,000
Oh, when I was going down to Paulism.

356
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,000
Was it behind him?

357
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000
Behind him, yeah.

358
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000
Yeah, but I haven't been outside since about ten o'clock at night now.

359
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,000
But was he in a direct line with the sorcerer in your mind?

360
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000
No.

361
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:23,000
He was right over here and the sorcerer was right in front of Paul and about how his distance was there between him.

362
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,000
Well, I was standing in Paul, kind of tall, big, but I had no idea.

363
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000
Diagnosed him.

364
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000
Diagnosed him.

365
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000
All right, he started walking towards the sorcerer.

366
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,000
Now, what did he describe the sorcerer for us?

367
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,000
Well, the sorcerer was round and was going at a great...

368
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000
Well, he said round, he was like a Paul?

369
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,000
No, he wasn't like a Paul.

370
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000
He was in the fall of Sion.

371
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000
No, he was on the flat side, on the side.

372
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000
He came out like this one.

373
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000
Oh, let's see.

374
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000
Well, it would have been if you took a fall and cut the top and bottom off, all right?

375
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000
Yeah.

376
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000
Now, how long did you say the sorcerer was?

377
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,000
Well, I was exactly how I saw it, and I mean it was gone through...

378
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,000
Nice guys to get in the girl.

379
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000
Pardon?

380
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
It was just a nice guy to get in the girl.

381
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
He thinks it's good for you.

382
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000
Did it appear big enough that you could have got in it?

383
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,000
Well, I don't know, but I think if it came down again, it would make a good effort to get in it.

384
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,000
Well, let's see.

385
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000
This sealer here, man, was about eight foot here, right?

386
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000
Yeah.

387
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000
Would you say the hole at the sealer was the hole at the sealer?

388
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000
A hide.

389
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:34,000
I mean, I couldn't exactly describe the hide because it came like this here, and...

390
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000
Or the first way I would...

391
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000
It just landed on the ground.

392
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000
Did that make the threshold? Did it make the steps to the sorcerer?

393
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:48,000
The first way I would describe it on a simple way would be if you take a sorcerer and turn it upside down.

394
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000
Well, that's how it looked.

395
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000
That's how it looked.

396
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,000
Was it landed on the bottom, do you know, or was it sorcerer shaped in the bottom, too?

397
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000
Oh, I think it was sorcerer shaped on bottom.

398
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000
Yeah, I want you to maybe...

399
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,000
Let me just make a design for you.

400
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000
That's a good one.

401
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000
What do you think? Like it or what?

402
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000
Well, it was.

403
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,000
It was, but I mean, it's a smooth-faced set, you know, but I'm...

404
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000
Oh, I think it is.

405
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000
I'm kicking it rough and out, you know what I mean?

406
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,000
Yeah.

407
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,000
In other words, the texture of the skin wasn't smooth.

408
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000
It wasn't smooth enough, but it was kind of...

409
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,000
It kind of pinched me like I was a glue, you know, I mean...

410
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,000
Wrinkle.

411
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000
Yeah, a glue here, and, you know, I have to say, you know...

412
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,000
It would be like a wrinkle, like an old person's face with a real old person there.

413
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000
It would be pinched up.

414
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,000
Of course, wrinkle would, well, I would say be heavily wrinkled, of course, I mean, you can...

415
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,000
Well, it aligned to the face from, I mean, the corners of his eyes and his mouth, right?

416
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Well, I could see up, but I mean, where his face was, like, somewhat disjointed.

417
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000
Well, you know...

418
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000
It was drawn.

419
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Drawed.

420
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000
Sounds like there were bumps on it or something.

421
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000
It was sort of like bumps, yeah.

422
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000
Yeah.

423
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000
It's not the kind of a face that you would normally see on an aged person.

424
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,000
No, no.

425
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000
Was the saucer perfectly round?

426
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000
Stay like that, nettle thing?

427
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,000
No.

428
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000
Well, why don't you try to make a little sketch of you with it?

429
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Yeah.

430
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,000
I'll use your...

431
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,000
I'll use it on the next page, though.

432
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Oh, okay, fine.

433
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000
I mean, we'll have something like this, too.

434
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000
Well...

435
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
Let's have a look tonight.

436
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000
I mean, yeah.

437
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000
But, uh...

438
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000
Now, all right, certainly...

439
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000
The highest point about how high was this age was?

440
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000
I'm down.

441
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000
You mean the saucer?

442
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,000
The highest point is half to the lowest and the bottom.

443
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,000
I'm not saying you could place it in this room, but it fit in this room.

444
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000
There's an eight foot seal on the box.

445
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000
It probably would.

446
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,000
And how about the width, actually?

447
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Well, I couldn't give you a good description on how big it was.

448
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000
It was from an awful spin.

449
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
There was an awful spin.

450
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
Rotation was...

451
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000
It was a whole time, yeah.

452
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,000
And it goes down.

453
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Don't touch the ground.

454
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,000
It would go down, over, and then it would go up in the air again.

455
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
All the time you were standing on the ground, just...

456
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Well, he was standing on the ground, and I was standing.

457
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,000
It would come down the ground, then it would go about ten feet.

458
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000
And it would meet at the top of the roof of my barn, then it would come down again,

459
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000
then it would come over the side, and over here by the tree,

460
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000
you have a big maple tree that would be a wool tree.

461
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,000
It would come in between, then it would come to the barn again,

462
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,000
then it would come to the ground again, then it would come down,

463
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000
and it would come down, but it never stopped.

464
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000
Well, if we could assume that it would stop,

465
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
this room was about twenty foot long,

466
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
what do you say over here?

467
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,000
Yeah, it's about twenty feet long.

468
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Yeah, and I guess more of a room must be about fifty feet the other way.

469
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000
Could they put holes in the air where it would get in this room?

470
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Maybe it would.

471
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000
Uh, would there be anything like that to get in the ceiling?

472
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000
I didn't see no one this at all.

473
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000
Now, what was the color of the saucer?

474
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000
Well, it was shiny.

475
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000
Well, a gold was shiny?

476
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
Well, silver was shiny.

477
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000
Silver is shiny.

478
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000
We could have seen these drawers or any way of getting in or out.

479
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
No.

480
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Well, at least that's what all the back door of the saucer...

481
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000
Now what happens?

482
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,000
And we're still holding, still going out of speed.

483
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,000
And all of a sudden, I don't see him, then, and off he took.

484
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Well, let's see, he approached the saucer, right?

485
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Yeah.

486
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Well, you were watching him, right?

487
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000
And I was watching you.

488
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,000
How did he get in?

489
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
And all of a sudden, I didn't see nothing.

490
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Didn't see him going away.

491
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,000
It just went so fast in there, and off he went.

492
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Uh, well, would he walk and slowly as he approached the saucer?

493
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
Yeah, it was walking slowly.

494
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,000
How close was he to it when he disappeared from your sight?

495
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Well, as it came down, and he'd come to the saucer,

496
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,000
and all of a sudden, it just disappeared.

497
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000
You were watching him all this time?

498
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000
Oh, it wasn't all the time.

499
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000
You didn't see him get in or step on anything?

500
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000
I would run by, the doors would open up on him right by the doors,

501
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,000
and I kept on looking at him, and he just disappeared.

502
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
The doors would start coming up, and I turned around to look.

503
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,000
What I'd went, there's more big trees there,

504
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,000
and I'd say, what, they were like a big blue flame,

505
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
and then I couldn't see no more.

506
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000
There was smoke on the long-started trees there.

507
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000
I would start with the picture now.

508
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000
You say you went to the barn, to the saucer near the barn?

509
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
Yeah, it was closer to the barn.

510
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Well, when he walked away, you said you went to the barn doors

511
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
and opened them, or something of that nature?

512
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
You opened them?

513
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
Did you close them?

514
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
No.

515
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Before he took off, I stood by the barn doors, you know?

516
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000
Yeah.

517
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
When you followed him when he walked towards the saucer,

518
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
it was if you followed the barn doors.

519
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
We were towards the barn doors, yeah.

520
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Well, when he walked away, he turned me back to you?

521
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Yeah.

522
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Did you follow him there, or?

523
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
No, I stood still.

524
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000
You weren't at the barn then, were you?

525
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000
I mean, when you went to the saucer?

526
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Yeah.

527
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000
You only saw the barn there, yeah.

528
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000
You were by the barn there?

529
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Yeah.

530
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000
When he said, I like to have the door, we were already by the barn.

531
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000
When you had this conversation about the door,

532
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000
when he said you wanted to have the door, were you standing still in,

533
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
or how far you were from the barn then?

534
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,000
Well, I said about three feet.

535
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Well, when they first saw him, how far were you from the barn?

536
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Oh, I first saw him, I was over here by the hoppers.

537
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
I said about 20 feet?

538
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Yeah.

539
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Well, I was wondering, how were you from 20 feet?

540
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Did you follow him when he walked to the barn?

541
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000
I was talking to you.

542
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Now, I think what's confusing is that the dog coop is located on one corner of the barn,

543
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
the dog coop.

544
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Oh.

545
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000
And the saucer was at the other end of the barn.

546
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,000
And when he said, when the man walked away from him and walked towards the barn,

547
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000
actually he was going down along the long ways of the barn.

548
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
He was walking in front of the barn, right?

549
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
From the dog coop down to the other end of the barn.

550
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Well, see the saucer, was he found it?

551
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Yeah.

552
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:38,000
Well, the saucer was about in the middle of the park, a barn.

553
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000
But why do you say they went?

554
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Well, I mean, I looked, the saucer and the man.

555
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Oh, that's what you're referring to.

556
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
He's going down the side of the house.

557
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Yeah.

558
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000
There's the barn.

559
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000
There's where the saucer was over and roughly.

560
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Here's the dog coop.

561
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Yeah.

562
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,000
So you walk up to here to meet you about halfway, then you walk together back to the corner

563
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,000
of the barn.

564
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,000
And then you stood there talking for a few moments and he walked down this way towards the saucer.

565
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Excuse me, what's obstructing the vision from the house here now?

566
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000
The push is right here.

567
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,000
Push is right here.

568
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,000
There's some big trees down in here and a couple on the table over here.

569
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Well, I assume when you walk over towards the saucer which was visible, wouldn't it be

570
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000
visible there or from the house?

571
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,000
No, these pushes are high and she can see from this kitchen window down to that corner

572
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000
of the barn.

573
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Yeah.

574
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,000
But she can't see the dog coop or this area in here.

575
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:41,000
The one thing that confused me though, if I need a little mention and I am walking to

576
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:48,000
say that's the saucer over here, do I just suddenly disappear from view when Kylie, do

577
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
I pay it out?

578
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000
No.

579
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000
You mean if he was a little mean?

580
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Yeah.

581
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000
I mean I want him to saucer and walk into it.

582
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000
What would happen like that?

583
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
I just disappear or do I pay it out gradually?

584
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Well, you just disappeared quickly in that saucer.

585
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:12,000
I just didn't go towards the saucer and I got very close and I don't know, I probably

586
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,000
had a feeling of how the house is going to take off, you know.

587
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
So I got inside the door.

588
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
I mean I am still scared, nervous.

589
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000
Well, he was in there in the doorway.

590
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000
The saucer was blocking the view of the man.

591
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
He couldn't see him again.

592
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,000
You stepped inside the doorway to the barn when you walked over here.

593
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Yeah, I would have to take the place where he was in there.

594
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
I saw it up in the air because I stood right in front of him.

595
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
This was a dog with you all the time in the week?

596
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000
Tie down at the coop.

597
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Kept there.

598
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Oh, well, you were walking in originally, right?

599
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000
I was able to understand you.

600
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
No, no, he was going down the feet of the man.

601
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Oh, he didn't have the door.

602
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Oh, I thought he had the door with you.

603
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000
No, no.

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:04,000
I just wanted to get the picture of why he should go into the barn while the man was there.

605
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Like I said, he'd only find three feet from the barn doors.

606
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Yeah.

607
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
He's gone towards the saucer.

608
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Well, I just want to barn doors and stood there.

609
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000
And he went away, you know.

610
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
I mean, it seems unnatural.

611
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000
I mean, the little curies, you see what happens to them.

612
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
That's why I can't question that.

613
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Well, probably he figured if that thing was going to take off, he was going to get out of his way.

614
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
I mean, he's already gone towards the saucer.

615
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
But the man had to put the garbable just a swish.

616
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:38,000
He's gone towards the saucer, so I realized he's going to take off.

617
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,000
And I'm staying at the doorway there, and then it took quite off.

618
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:49,000
So if he would have climbed into the saucer through a door, you wouldn't have been in a position to see it.

619
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
From where you were standing in that time.

620
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
No.

621
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,000
How high it was, the saucer, when he walked towards it, down or up?

622
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
It was down.

623
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000
It came down.

624
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
I mean, it wouldn't land.

625
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,000
It didn't land at ground at all.

626
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Did you, uh, didn't see any entrance to it?

627
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000
I don't know.

628
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Have you any idea how it got into it?

629
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000
No.

630
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Did you see any other men or women or anything about this?

631
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000
I see just one man or something.

632
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Your referral call was a man.

633
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
I mean, why not a woman maybe?

634
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Well, I thought that I had.

635
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,000
What was it about this thing, which would indicate to you that it would be a man?

636
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Because he had covered all the stuff that he had.

637
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Well, for the only thing I'm thankful for is that it would have been a man or a woman.

638
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Well, like I said, he had a strange face.

639
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
He couldn't tell if it was a woman or a man.

640
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
It is a figure of a shape.

641
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Was it a womanly, a manly about, or I mean, a man at size.

642
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,000
I suspect it would be a man or a woman.

643
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000
I mean, it's basically me.

644
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000
I thought, I don't know, none of them are things.

645
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000
You can get a child.

646
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
If you get a child, he's dressed up.

647
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
I mean, sure, so you don't know where it's a man or a woman.

648
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Girl, boy.

649
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Brawl.

650
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
How about the boys from the strike?

651
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000
He was having an masculine.

652
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Well, what is the squeaky voice?

653
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Who?

654
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
I mean, he had a distinctively male or female about it.

655
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000
What's the female?

656
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000
No, this isn't the kind of guy.

657
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
He'd be jealous of it, would he?

658
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Maybe it was because it appeared to be ugly that you were so much me.

659
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
You were so man.

660
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
I understand that very much.

661
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
For you all.

662
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Well, any worked way did he or she say anything?

663
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Well, he said, well, I'm saying maybe it's a hate.

664
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000
He said, I'll be seeing you again.

665
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Well, we went out, I don't know what time it was,

666
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
oh, maybe about eight o'clock.

667
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
We went out that evening, you know.

668
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,000
And I said to my wife, I'm going down a barn again.

669
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000
So I went down a barn and didn't see nothing.

670
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,000
But the next night I thought I was upstairs throwing my bag,

671
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,000
and I didn't have the light on.

672
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000
I was looking out the window, you know,

673
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
and still worked up about that.

674
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,000
And right after the barn there was some things about great big white light

675
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
and a great big red light.

676
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Maybe it's a plank on it, but it wasn't even moving,

677
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
it was just playing station right there.

678
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
I said, Christian, I see nothing.

679
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
I didn't see nothing.

680
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000
She's the one that saw this thing first, you know.

681
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Yeah.

682
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000
I want to tell you Mr. Trasko, Mr. Trasko at a moment.

683
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,000
When did he wave goodbye or anything like that?

684
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000
No, he said, well, I'll be seeing you again.

685
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Then why would I not?

686
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
And the only thing you said to him was,

687
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
I guess the picture's where you swore at.

688
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Then this took her off, you say,

689
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
how did it go off down the side ways,

690
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000
or went down just like a plank one?

691
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Then what direction generally would that be?

692
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
What's the goal of the East or Flamme Flamme?

693
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,000
There was a blue flame that I understand you're going to say,

694
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
yeah, some blue flame, like,

695
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,000
it disappeared and we see a little cause of smoke on five trees.

696
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,000
There's two big trees over there, and smoke was on between them trees.

697
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,000
What it took off was a light other than the blue flame.

698
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,000
No, the only thing I know is that both blue flames light.

699
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000
How hard did you see it in the sky?

700
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000
I didn't see it long, something passed in three times,

701
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
I didn't see it no more.

702
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
You have the idea of the rate of speed, I mean, roughly,

703
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
and you know, Jack says,

704
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
oh, it took the rate of speed.

705
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000
When did you immediately after that?

706
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
What did I do?

707
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000
I just fed the doors and come back home,

708
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
and she started asking me questions,

709
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,000
and I tore apart, and then the repeat would do up first

710
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
before I came home here.

711
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
And as I came tears on my eyes,

712
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
and then she started telling me again,

713
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
I went upstairs and I come downstairs,

714
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,000
I was very upset, you know.

715
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,000
The next morning I got up and I went to work,

716
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:45,000
and I noticed some kind of dwindling between my fingers and the else.

717
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,000
So I looked at it, oh, then I had green part on my wrist.

718
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,000
That was a green part laying the evening.

719
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000
But there was something between my fingers and the else.

720
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
What do you mean, see my part?

721
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
I mean, it easily washed off, you know,

722
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000
and the next morning the shop.

723
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Well, I mean, I don't really know what they have in total

724
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
with that they had physical contact with it.

725
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Did you, no, no, how would you tie it with a green powder?

726
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
How do you explain that to them?

727
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
I wouldn't know.

728
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,000
I mean, I didn't touch him or got too close to him.

729
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
I mean, in your, when you were working with Peterville,

730
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Mr. Thrascoe was having a green paper coming out.

731
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:40,000
You never, I mean, the risk was the green powder there

732
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,000
and the morning after the fact, no, that same evening,

733
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
I noticed a green part on my wrist.

734
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Well, it wasn't much, you know, but just a little bit, you know.

735
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,000
But no, and the more I, in between my fingers and the else.

736
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Well, I don't think it was any kind of, I didn't pay attention, you know, I mean.

737
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,000
What makes you think that there may be a tie

738
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,000
between the green paint on your wrist and the, and this thing that you...

739
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Well, I mean, I don't have none green lights at home

740
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,000
and tend to shop with them because if I work, we cut rope.

741
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,000
And now the first thing I'm warned before we start working is

742
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
well, let's try and miss Mr. Thrascoe for a moment.

743
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Suppose you tell us what you have a personal out there,

744
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,000
and I'm not so much lucky, honestly, to tell you what you actually saw.

745
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Well, he went out to speak to us and I was getting something.

746
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,000
I was over there by the cabinets and I just looked out the window

747
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
and King was barking like mad and I figured, oh, it's the baker

748
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,000
because he always barks at trucks and I didn't pay much attention

749
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,000
but I looked down the window and I saw this here.

750
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Real round shiny paint down there, you know.

751
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,000
The first thing I thought, I haven't got to wait down there, you know.

752
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
How far was this house about, excuse me?

753
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Huh?

754
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000
How far?

755
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
It wasn't the way you were standing like this.

756
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Oh, it's not about my age yet.

757
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Is the barn that far back then?

758
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Because the properties weren't standing too long from the road to the creek.

759
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,000
So I just stood there, you know, I didn't know what to do

760
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
and I went by the faint there.

761
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000
I was, you know, I banged on the window for him.

762
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Could you see your husband with that towering?

763
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Yeah, he was sitting right there then, going down, sitting.

764
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Is that a long side? How was it he had this?

765
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Yeah, right here, by the house.

766
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Oh, sorry.

767
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Was he in the position then where he couldn't see the...

768
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
He didn't see it, he didn't see it.

769
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000
No, I mean, couldn't he have seen it in the position where he was?

770
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Well, what?

771
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
What did you saw, sir?

772
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
I could have.

773
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000
I could have.

774
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Yeah, but he wasn't looking down.

775
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:03,000
I could have seen, because when I go through the door, the cat is between my feet.

776
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:13,000
And I mean, otherwise, otherwise, if the cat wasn't going between my feet, I could have seen myself.

777
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:23,000
So I banged on the window, I pointed down like that, he looked down, and the weight went down there.

778
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:30,000
And I heard him talk, I couldn't understand anything, because if I didn't get close, you know.

779
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000
What could he...

780
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,000
You could hear him talking, you mean the husband?

781
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Harlan.

782
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
What could you hear, when he harled?

783
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Well, I don't know, I can't say what he was talking, but I heard his voice.

784
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,000
You know, I couldn't...

785
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
What harled you, husband, could you see?

786
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:58,000
I could see his back, and he was facing towards the, you know, not towards the farm, but towards the...

787
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,000
I don't know where that saucer was, you know, from the...

788
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Did you see his legs there?

789
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Yeah, back down.

790
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Why, if anything, why is it obstructing the vision to see the little man?

791
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Well, there was a, you know, my last version, if I'm not mistaken, kind of shrugged up there, and still had the dream, stuff on it, and it was obstructing my view of what he was talking to, you know.

792
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,000
But my view wasn't obstructed from this shining object down there.

793
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:42,000
So, did you notice the position of the saucer left, the quality of the saucer there, while he was talking?

794
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Yeah, it was, like, on the A-shaped side, and just going up and down.

795
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
How high up to the scene did he was respelling?

796
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
What?

797
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
How high up to the scene did he was respelling?

798
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Oh, it was about six feet up, and that was right down, right down, but never touched the ground.

799
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
What would you have to be these reactions in, however you feel?

800
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Oh, scared to death.

801
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:20,000
So, from the time you knocked out the window, did you think, yeah, how long ago was it before the saucer left?

802
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Well, I guess it was about...

803
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
What would you say?

804
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,000
I don't know, to me, it seemed like an eternity.

805
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000
I guess maybe about three minutes or something like that.

806
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Could you hear any other sounds other than the Houston power?

807
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000
No.

808
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Did you have a chance to hear the loud sound of the house?

809
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
I couldn't. I just stood there. I couldn't even move.

810
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
How did you describe it?

811
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Don't bark like me.

812
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
How did you describe it so much as it took off?

813
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Well, as it took off, from my view, it's just, I'm not tired here.

814
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:11,000
It went up, it swished, it's a big tree that was down there, and then it went right straight up, and then it swished right on up over the barn.

815
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,000
And then it looked like the blue canada was in it, and then it was like, takey-sh.

816
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,000
But I don't think John could see that because he was standing in the barn right there.

817
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
But then there was nothing after that.

818
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Oh, was your husband in your lionry view all the time?

819
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
No. That's why I was scared.

820
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Well, did he walk out of sight?

821
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Well, yeah, due to the fact that those wildlife bushes in the shorty there that I couldn't see.

822
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,000
The only way that you can see is with the director right straight down from the barn.

823
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Yeah, well, maybe I don't act like a lot out there myself.

824
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,000
You don't wait up to mud up to your hips, then.

825
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Oh, well, it's a little...

826
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000
I took a couple of photographs I have of...

827
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Oh, did you?

828
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,000
When you saw this, did you think it was a flying saucer?

829
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Well, I first saw it. I thought it was a bunch of water down there or something.

830
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
When I saw the thing moving.

831
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,000
What a big picture it was on the saucer.

832
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
I think it was a saucer.

833
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Did you have any idea that there was an occupant who had been in it at that time?

834
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,000
No.

835
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
When was the first time you realized that?

836
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Well, there was someone in it.

837
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Yeah.

838
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
Well, I thought it must be someone in it. It would be gone in the end, so...

839
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Yeah.

840
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Do you put the only sound from these little men or woman or whatever it was?

841
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Did you immediately think of this incident down in Tennessee about...

842
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Well, you haven't even told you the story about the one with the door.

843
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Did you immediately think about this incident down in Nashville, Tennessee, the clock boy?

844
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,000
I didn't even know anything about that. We read that the next night in the papers.

845
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Oh, that was the first you heard of that?

846
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,000
The next night in our papers we read that.

847
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000
That was the 7th.

848
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Let me ask you this. How do you tell me before the newspaper got home with the story?

849
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Well, I told up my brother-in-law. He was over to my dad's house.

850
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000
I wonder about it.

851
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
He was on that same night.

852
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Yes.

853
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000
And I told him about it. And he says, no kidding, he says.

854
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000
So the next day, see, he had a week's vacation. He was up from the hallway.

855
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,000
The next day he goes down to French Town. He tells Fred Sykes.

856
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Fred Sykes, was he?

857
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:46,000
He used to be the motor vehicle man. He was right by the Dollar Valley.

858
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,000
He had the building he had at the Dollar Valley News in Brantford County.

859
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,000
So he told Fred Sykes and Fred went right to the news and told the news.

860
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
And then I think that night the...

861
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Did Fred Sykes told the news?

862
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Yeah, told the news about it.

863
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Oh, was it the paper?

864
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Dollar Valley News.

865
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Oh, yeah, I see, yes.

866
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:13,000
And then this here woman called me up and said, I heard about your experience.

867
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,000
And I said, well, who told you? She said, what news gets around?

868
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,000
So then Ray said that he had told Fred and Fred had told the news.

869
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:27,000
We didn't go to the paper, but then they came up and took pictures of it.

870
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
And they took the story.

871
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,000
Did you check with your neighbors at all to see if they had seen anything?

872
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,000
No. No matter if they were in the house next door,

873
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,000
the house wasn't occupied and the house below that wasn't occupied.

874
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:51,000
And the people up here next to it, they went to the house to check them if they had seen anything.

875
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:57,000
But you've never heard, since that time, you've never heard of anybody in this town that didn't see it?

876
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
No.

877
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Because in the daytime, you can see this place.

878
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Actually, there's quite a number of homes looked out on in this particular area where this thing landed.

879
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Incidentally, on the story in Tennessee there about the dog, do you recall what paper you read that in?

880
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
We used to express the paper.

881
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Oh, the Easton Express carried it?

882
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
I don't know.

883
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
That Jim Stable on the paper?

884
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Yeah.

885
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,000
I don't remember the name of the people and where it was from.

886
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Well, there's a paper delivery house every day?

887
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Yeah.

888
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
The afternoon.

889
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Yeah, well, that's the paper delivery house you read it in.

890
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Yeah.

891
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,000
And it had to be the Easton Express, I guess, that's the only paper you get.

892
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Yeah, and then...

893
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,000
That's a weekly.

894
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Yeah, or a million.

895
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Do you have them paired or the one with the Schmidt Incident and the brass still when you first started?

896
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
Did you think of that?

897
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
I read the... I don't know, it was the next night, the night after it, in the paper.

898
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000
I didn't say anything to John about it.

899
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
When he sees something in the paper, and I see something in the paper, we don't even tell each other.

900
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000
I mean, you know, we just... we just forget about them.

901
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Yeah, I assume had you with that time wrote about the scientists down at the level and

902
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
taxes around on the air or on...

903
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Well, that was in the paper too, right with that thing, so to say.

904
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Has there anything on the papers and all of my flying sources on the day that you've seen it in the six?

905
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Not in the six.

906
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Had you missed the trash, though, or missed the trash, though?

907
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Had any interest in the sources that are all before?

908
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000
No.

909
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000
I didn't believe it.

910
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
What do you think, now?

911
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Oh, I kind of think that I'm one of their chosen favorites.

912
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:47,000
You know, I think that's seriously...

913
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Yeah.

914
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,000
You know, when I've seen it, oh, I've seen it.

915
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,000
I... I thought, I said, don't you dare tell any firefighter, sir.

916
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,000
She'd dare tell a brown law.

917
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,000
See, I didn't think they would tell Fred, because they said they'd be back, you know.

918
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Fred says, well, you scared them away.

919
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Is that why you told them not to mention me, because they might be back?

920
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,000
No.

921
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Well, the reason is Johnson's not telling anybody, because this town is a small town.

922
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,000
And they don't believe anything.

923
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,000
And they never seen it, because they... they're nice to us.

924
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Then, uh, that second... that second instance, I seen when I was in the town, I was nice to

925
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
them at all.

926
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,000
I've seen you see four objects.

927
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Well, I came home, and I told them all I could buy.

928
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,000
I said, I told them all I could buy.

929
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
But I did...

930
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,000
But I did tell them myself, I told them all I could buy.

931
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,000
How long after was that, Mr. Tresco?

932
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Oh, I went up... oh, I went up toward three weeks maybe?

933
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Yeah.

934
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Something like that.

935
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
And, uh, I think I didn't even put this in tape before.

936
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,000
What did you see as far as you could recall?

937
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:06,000
Well, they were all objects, so it treated... one back each other, treated them, then one

938
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
quarter ways from the rest.

939
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
What were you doing at the time?

940
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Well, I was trying to calm.

941
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,000
I was coming down the hill, and I thought it was the reflection, you know, my car, you

942
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,000
know.

943
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,000
I got a blue car, so I rolled the window down.

944
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,000
I slowed down the hill, but I didn't come to the stop, and I still see, you know, to

945
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:33,000
be sure, you know, I kept on looking, but it's... I'm saying things or what, but I mean,

946
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000
I see.

947
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Uh, how long a reflection or not?

948
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,000
Maybe a while at the time, again.

949
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
I was coming home from work.

950
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000
How high up were they about?

951
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,000
They weren't close to the ground, were they?

952
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,000
No.

953
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000
No, they were up there, yeah.

954
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Right over here, and, you know, up top, they were on my left, about 45 or 38 or something

955
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
like that.

956
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,000
There were three, but get me the idea of the size of the shape, no.

957
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Really, they were very high up, like a high-flied airplane or whatever.

958
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Well, I mean, if they were all over the head, I would say there would be a lot, but this

959
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,000
would, I mean, I couldn't say where it worked.

960
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Hard, but there wouldn't have been low.

961
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Any hills, I mean, as with you, compared to the height, and, uh, well, I mean, how about

962
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000
the shape, could you tell?

963
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Door around.

964
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,000
I mean, could you tell if they were in the airplane or something like that?

965
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,000
No, they weren't airplanes, no.

966
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,000
Any noise, you can see, and they're on the trail, huh?

967
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
They're on the trail, and you know, they're...

968
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
What happened to David's this?

969
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Well, it was about 430.

970
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Yeah, it was like, it was like, I get home by about 20 minutes to fly, so I pass through

971
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
France on about 430.

972
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
How long have you watched them?

973
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Well, a few minutes until I got a darn part of my helmet when I didn't see them anymore,

974
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
if I would have a say.

975
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Well, he was on the hill, you know, they get down the valley, you know, like this.

976
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,000
I mean, I don't know why I'd say, it went out of your range of vision.

977
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Yeah.

978
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,000
You know, the work of questions that disappear from sight, not because of the distance.

979
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I get an idea of their speed, approximately.

980
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,000
You know, it was an airplane, or if there was a jet, I couldn't tell the speed, and I couldn't tell the height,

981
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000
so, oh.

982
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,000
You were in the gym, Mrs. Trasko, the next night you saw something.

983
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Yeah.

984
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000
So what was that again?

985
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,000
Well, I saw two lights, a big white light and a big red light.

986
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,000
Well, how high, how high, what other part would you say?

987
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000
I'd say it was about 50 feet.

988
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,000
Which one?

989
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,000
Up near.

990
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000
Which light?

991
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Which light?

992
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,000
There's a big white one and a big red one and another big white one and another big red one.

993
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000
One was right up over top of the other one.

994
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000
Two things, they were just like this.

995
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:58,000
And I thought it was a plane, until I was watching the Sea of Greenlight, you know, it was a very green one on the plane.

996
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
And it wasn't even moving.

997
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,000
And I said, there, but for now, it's big from the winter and then suddenly it was nothing.

998
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Was your husband home at the time?

999
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,000
He was down on the television, and that's holding him back.

1000
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Did you come up there?

1001
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,000
No.

1002
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Because you just certainly didn't outline around the light.

1003
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,000
You know, which is like a great big white light and big red light.

1004
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
So, all the light is surrounding the area, was that bright?

1005
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Well, the white light was very bright and the red light was a real bright green.

1006
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,000
I mean, enough to look around, it seems to be attached to an object or...

1007
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
No, that's all I can say.

1008
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
How long was the light still there?

1009
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,000
I said there maybe a couple minutes of the light still there because it was partially there.

1010
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000
It was there.

1011
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Did anybody hear a noise?

1012
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000
Were they stationary?

1013
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Stationary.

1014
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
What finally happened to them?

1015
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Just, just purchased something.

1016
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Did you feel any place to go out the house or?

1017
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,000
No.

1018
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000
No, there?

1019
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Did it light up the barn?

1020
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,000
No.

1021
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Then you were saying you felt you had interpreted this, that there might be some reason why they were...

1022
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000
You had this experience?

1023
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Well, I don't know.

1024
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000
I wasn't a mystery to me.

1025
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:24,000
I mean, before when the saucer was down here, I didn't see any red light or clean from there or anything.

1026
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,000
But it was night there, I saw it was big red light and it was white light.

1027
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000
If anybody had been looking out at when, they would have seen the same thing.

1028
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,000
Since that time you've seen anything?

1029
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Not much.

1030
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,000
I'm just...

1031
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,000
How about before that time you ever seen anything that might seem to be applying so I said...

1032
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Yeah, I, uh, what was this about four years ago when we were going to Lambertville and I had my daughter with me.

1033
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:57,000
She was in the back seat, John was firing on a signal sign seat and I said, look Annie up this guy.

1034
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000
I said, see that shiny object?

1035
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
She says, yeah, it was round, you know.

1036
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000
And she says, well that's no airplane, mommy.

1037
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,000
I said, well I know it isn't.

1038
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Well John couldn't see because he was driving and it was on my side.

1039
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,000
So we looked again and we didn't see anything.

1040
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000
How long did you think she was so old?

1041
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000
How old, how old old did you see that?

1042
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Oh maybe it was about a minute from this.

1043
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000
She doesn't go out of your range of vision or just disappear?

1044
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Just appear.

1045
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000
You have a range of vision.

1046
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Why don't you take a look at that time?

1047
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000
She says mommy has to find a source.

1048
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000
How old was she at the time then?

1049
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Well she's, uh, she's turned 18.

1050
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000
How old was she?

1051
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Well I think I guess, I'm lucky.

1052
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,000
Was she home tonight at?

1053
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000
About 14 years.

1054
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Was she home tonight that you had this experience?

1055
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000
No.

1056
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Was she married now?

1057
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Was she interested in sources?

1058
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000
No.

1059
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:01,000
At that time, or without the first time did you see anything that was or could be a foreign source?

1060
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
At that time?

1061
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Yeah.

1062
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Had you been interested before that?

1063
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Is that a way to be interested?

1064
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
I was never interested.

1065
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000
I heard about it.

1066
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
I was never interested.

1067
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:18,000
But it was no time because it was a round, shiny time.

1068
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Did you feel at that time this wonderful source when you saw it yourself?

1069
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:29,000
After that time, this is four years back, had you had the opportunity to read anything about that?

1070
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
No.

1071
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:41,000
Yeah, he mentioned before you thought that there might be some reason that you were chosen for this experience.

1072
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,000
Would you have any idea why you might be particularly interested?

1073
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Oh no.

1074
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Did you have any mental feelings at all at the time this happened or any other time?

1075
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
No, not really.

1076
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,000
There were many cases that have been reported.

1077
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:08,000
I had the mental feelings that night when I was at the bed, that I was going to see something and I saw those objects.

1078
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000
That was the night afterwards.

1079
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,000
Did you ever have the feeling that you could see something?

1080
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Yeah.

1081
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,000
Did you?

1082
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,000
No.

1083
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Yeah.

1084
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Do you think they will be back?

1085
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Once you and P.S. I know it's pure, but you guess that's where they come from. Do you have any idea?

1086
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,000
I thought they were Venetians.

1087
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Why would you without impression?

1088
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Why would you be important?

1089
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,000
I was not upset. They were so kind.

1090
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000
Yeah, well I was, they said kind.

1091
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000
But we said kind or peaceful?

1092
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Well kind.

1093
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Well they were so peaceful people.

1094
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Yeah.

1095
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Well I just kind of followed your thought maybe a little bit too much if I am excuse me.

1096
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:06,000
But why would you think that the Venetian would be peaceful?

1097
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
I just think they are.

1098
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,000
I mean would that be based on whether you made a parade or a rattle?

1099
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,000
I think I mentioned the radio.

1100
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,000
Do you have a listen to the party line at night at W.O.R. at midnight?

1101
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
I'm not listening to the radio.

1102
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Only at 10 o'clock in the morning W.O.R. news.

1103
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,000
Oh.

1104
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,000
You didn't have a hear at night at the Long John show?

1105
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,000
What was that?

1106
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000
At midnight.

1107
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,000
On the front line?

1108
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,000
No, on radio.

1109
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,000
No.

1110
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,000
At night.

1111
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000
Yeah.

1112
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,000
You never met Benji yourself did you?

1113
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,000
No.

1114
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,000
When was your brother-in-law picked up?

1115
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,000
He was.

1116
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
He was.

1117
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000
He was the only one.

1118
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000
I never met him.

1119
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
I saw his picture in the television.

1120
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,000
Oh yeah, I picked him in the television.

1121
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,000
Yeah, I had an article written in a couple years ago.

1122
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,000
Well what did you have in the reaction as I had to you as an adult?

1123
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,000
I didn't even know who that was.

1124
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000
I didn't even know who that was.

1125
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,000
I didn't even know who that was.

1126
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000
I didn't even know who that was.

1127
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000
I didn't even know who that was.

1128
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000
I was telling you about it.

1129
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000
I don't even know.

1130
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,000
I'm not.

1131
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000
What did you think about it at the time?

1132
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,000
I don't know.

1133
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,000
I thought somebody was a trapper.

1134
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,000
I thought it was...

1135
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,000
No, your opinion made a change to Ben or...

1136
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Yeah, no, no, no.

1137
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
The only thing I couldn't...

1138
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
You mentioned before, and I think quite curious,

1139
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,000
is actually a fact it might be one of the shows in the queue.

1140
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,000
I was just wondering, and I think of a reason why you think they pick up this particular

1141
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000
spy or do we ice them?

1142
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000
I think when I die from them, I'm going to start a scene.

1143
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,000
Come back.

1144
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
Did you believe in reincarnation?

1145
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,000
No.

1146
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,000
Well, I guess probably the majority of the people in the world actually do.

1147
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,000
Have you always?

1148
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Even before this.

1149
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Even before this incident.

1150
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Well, if they came back again, would you walk down the meets?

1151
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000
I would.

1152
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,000
You don't think you'd be afraid?

1153
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000
Would you ever be afraid?

1154
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:15,000
Well, since this day happened, I mean, every night when I go to feed the dogs, I'll feed them.

1155
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:22,000
But I'll say to my wife, I'm going to give them dogs that I hate, like, if they go down to their barn.

1156
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,000
What's been going on quite a few months now she feeds them herself.

1157
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,000
I put down your...

1158
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,000
I don't...

1159
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Don't even want to go down to their barn.

1160
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,000
I go down every night, say it four o'clock.

1161
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Not for the last two weeks, you can go down there.

1162
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,000
But since that happened, I always thought I'd want to go down there.

1163
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
You still have to though.

1164
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000
You still have to go.

1165
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,000
You'd be afraid if you saw them again.

1166
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,000
I don't know, I'll be afraid now, but I just...

1167
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000
You wouldn't want to go down.

1168
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
I just dislike, you know what I mean?

1169
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Yeah.

1170
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,000
I had no desire to go down to their barn, at all.

1171
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,000
Well, this...

1172
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Getting back to this ship again, Mr. Crasco, did you?

1173
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Get any kind of other sensations when it took off?

1174
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Did you notice any odors?

1175
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,000
No.

1176
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,000
Any heat or...?

1177
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Sort of a heat like.

1178
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Heat?

1179
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,000
But...

1180
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Was there a wind?

1181
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000
Oh, wind, yeah.

1182
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Yeah?

1183
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Yeah.

1184
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,000
Quite a strong wind, uh...

1185
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,000
A strong wind from branches, that moves.

1186
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,000
They move or they direct around?

1187
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000
Yeah, the trees.

1188
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Yeah, like a wind, you get a good wind, you know, a lot of branches move.

1189
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,000
And this, uh, this blew back on you, did it?

1190
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
And it did, and so on.

1191
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,000
Did you feel to yourself or did you just see the fire?

1192
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Quite a lot again, I'm not sure.

1193
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Did you, uh, why?

1194
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,000
Well, if I said it was to be expected, I think, you know, so...

1195
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,000
I mean, it's through a lot of wind, and then it kind of shook me.

1196
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,000
Yeah, when you were so used to it, your eye was wide, did you mean that you were...

1197
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,000
Oh, it shook up as a result of this or anything?

1198
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,000
No, I mean, I think...

1199
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:03,000
I came home, and it was towards the last part of the evening, you know,

1200
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,000
but here's my eye, as part of the scare of the nuts and conches.

1201
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Oh, I thought maybe something blew in your eyes or something irritated your eyes or...

1202
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,000
No wings or anything like that on it, so I just saw no wind at the door.

1203
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,000
Did it make any noise at all?

1204
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000
This was, uh...

1205
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Yeah, it did.

1206
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:28,000
You had found a ship, but when you had found a ship with ship aisles,

1207
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000
they sounded...

1208
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,000
It was sort of nice like that.

1209
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,000
I just was a bit surprised by the newspaper I had got here,

1210
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,000
and that was the Kroki hair, so I thought it was more than one.

1211
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,000
Well, that's what it tastes like.

1212
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,000
Well, then, yes, maybe it was more, but all I've seen was one.

1213
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,000
Well, that's the one on the ship's eye, so I couldn't tell.

1214
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,000
Oh, and I also...

1215
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,000
I took an animal to when you were telling your story, Mr. Crestwell.

1216
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,000
I think the paper says something about...

1217
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,000
There's your try to grab one of them or something.

1218
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Yeah, you wanted to catch one.

1219
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,000
Yeah.

1220
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,000
Did you try to grab them?

1221
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,000
I think I did.

1222
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,000
He moved too.

1223
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,000
I think I did.

1224
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,000
I have.

1225
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,000
When did you try to grab it?

1226
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,000
Well, I...

1227
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000
I mean, that caused a bond, I guess.

1228
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,000
That's probably what was talking to you.

1229
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Yeah.

1230
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,000
How well they acted after the actual leave after you tried to grab it?

1231
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Only about five minutes.

1232
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
And I just didn't run away.

1233
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000
It died, so what happened?

1234
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000
I probably just...

1235
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,000
Oh, he didn't know what...

1236
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,000
They kind of touched side with...

1237
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000
Didn't say anything?

1238
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,000
No.

1239
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Did he appear to be carrying anything at all, winter dress, though?

1240
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000
No.

1241
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,000
Anything on it?

1242
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,000
Anything that looked like a weapon?

1243
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,000
No.

1244
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,000
No sticks or...

1245
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,000
No, not at all.

1246
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Is everything inside of him at the time?

1247
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Well, we're going to tell you.

1248
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,000
It's fairly fine, yeah.

1249
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
And you never asked him who he was,

1250
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
or whether he was a drummer,

1251
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,000
or if he was a TV hero.

1252
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,000
No.

1253
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,000
Nothing.

1254
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,000
You think he could have taken that dog?

1255
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,000
That's a pretty good size dog.

1256
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,000
Yeah.

1257
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,000
And you think he could have taken it?

1258
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,000
Probably would have.

1259
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Would have.

1260
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,000
Oh, I think they had the power to do it.

1261
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,000
How do you figure it out now?

1262
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,000
I mean, how and why it happened,

1263
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,000
and the ideas, and...

1264
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,000
What's going on at the time?

1265
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,000
He came home and found the dog,

1266
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,000
going with him nowhere.

1267
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Don't be looking.

1268
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Do you think that,

1269
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
with any possibility that

1270
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,000
this ship might have been visible

1271
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
only to you for any reason?

1272
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,000
I mean, I think that here it is.

1273
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,000
A pretty open view.

1274
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,000
Since when have you...

1275
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,000
I'm not making it there.

1276
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,000
To me, it was clear visible.

1277
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,000
And I was like,

1278
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,000
my wife on the other hand,

1279
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,000
according to her source,

1280
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000
it was very shiny, like...

1281
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Must have been more to him than to make this.

1282
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Shiny object.

1283
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Could have been invisible to anybody.

1284
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Yeah.

1285
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,000
I mean...

1286
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,000
I would say part of man,

1287
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,000
because, I mean,

1288
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,000
say he was camouflage,

1289
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000
he had a green cover all the time.

1290
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,000
So imagine to the grace of law,

1291
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
and you know,

1292
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,000
so he couldn't have been visible,

1293
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000
you know, to somebody from the distance,

1294
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,000
you know, he would say 50 feet.

1295
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Yeah, I did.

1296
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,000
I was out of figure with this.

1297
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,000
Flame and the noise.

1298
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,000
How do you figure that

1299
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,000
some other people didn't see it?

1300
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,000
Did you hear...

1301
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Did you hear anything, Mr. Transco?

1302
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000
Probably, it was nobody home.

1303
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000
A lot of people, you know,

1304
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,000
they were going different shifts and stuff.

1305
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,000
And as I said, the house makes the...

1306
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,000
Was unoccupied.

1307
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,000
Two homes gone out.

1308
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Was unoccupied in the third house.

1309
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Not as people in them.

1310
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000
No, people have no...

1311
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
No, but just Friday, they don't do it.

1312
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Could you hear the noise

1313
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
from where you were staying?

1314
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
No, I hear King Clark,

1315
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,000
and I have a hearing aid.

1316
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,000
I think I've heard of him since then.

1317
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,000
You didn't...

1318
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,000
You didn't get any sense of a noise

1319
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000
from that ship.

1320
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Okay, phone back to these pictures again,

1321
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,000
which is my most interesting...

1322
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
You saw the pictures, Mr. Transco,

1323
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
your brother was saying,

1324
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
did you take a look pretty much

1325
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
like this man?

1326
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Well, the saucer did,

1327
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
but a man, he was very thin.

1328
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000
He was awful thin,

1329
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
and he covered all the bones.

1330
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Your man was pretty heavy?

1331
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
Pretty heavy, would you say?

1332
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000
Yeah, I believe so.

1333
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,000
And he seemed so normal, you know.

1334
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000
Bones.

1335
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000
And he's people had a whole load of it.

1336
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Bones.

1337
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,000
No head on?

1338
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,000
No, he had no head on.

1339
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Your man was born on the heavy side.

1340
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,000
Heavy side.

1341
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,000
Hevelly built.

1342
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Yeah.

1343
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Probably took the coverables off.

1344
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,000
These pictures, they were quite fascinating.

1345
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,000
I've heard of the pictures of a little man before.

1346
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,000
I suppose it was a genuine picture.

1347
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Yeah, he was standing between two men,

1348
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,000
and they had one man,

1349
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,000
and he had Transco on, and I had...

1350
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,000
I was standing between two men.

1351
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Are these pictures they sell, or...?

1352
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,000
Yeah, I wrote them all down,

1353
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,000
for the 65th time, too.

1354
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000
Why'd you file an old brother on?

1355
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,000
I was going to go on a Sunday,

1356
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,000
and I don't worry about it from time to time.

1357
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,000
Maybe you could do that,

1358
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,000
because I don't get out here too often.

1359
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,000
The size of you, so it looked like the size of the pictures.

1360
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Yeah, it's somewhat true.

1361
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
The first thing I did on the trip to Los Angeles,

1362
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,000
and the others were taken in different places,

1363
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000
I forget to...

1364
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,000
I think I took pictures then.

1365
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,000
I wanted to contact him with the pictures.

1366
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
I'll give him a phone call,

1367
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000
and I'll send one.

1368
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Outside of the Oval Office,

1369
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,000
I'll do his paper report.

1370
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Has anyone else seen you,

1371
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,000
and talked to you about this?

1372
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Only this part I got the other day,

1373
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,000
and then there was a minister from our winter...

1374
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,000
A minister from where?

1375
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,000
Our winter, possibly.

1376
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
Our winter?

1377
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Our winter, yeah.

1378
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Very close to the place.

1379
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,000
What did he say to the others?

1380
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Well, he believed that one does to give him a story,

1381
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,000
and if you look at the picture of the man,

1382
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,000
he'll pray for them and all.

1383
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,000
He did?

1384
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,000
Didn't he do a copy then?

1385
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,000
No, shit.

1386
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
Yeah, he pushed you out.

1387
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,000
I'm not very good at sketching.

1388
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000
You would tell it a lot more often.

1389
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
I hate fine numbers.

1390
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Oh, I see that one.

1391
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000
You could either do that one,

1392
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,000
but it's not a good thing.

1393
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,000
I don't like that one.

1394
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,000
I'm going to do it again.

1395
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000
This one up here.

1396
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000
A couple stairs.

1397
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,000
I like to do it.

1398
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,000
I'm going to take a couple of times an hour.

1399
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Just autograph it, and that's it.

1400
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,000
That's good.

1401
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Yeah.

1402
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,000
I like to do that.

1403
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
That's a good thing.

1404
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,000
That takes patience though, to do that.

1405
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000
I don't know what you and the army have discussed on.

1406
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Have you ever had the interest in norm

1407
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,000
and metaphysics or anything like that?

1408
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,000
Has it worked?

1409
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Metaphysics and interest in anything like that before.

1410
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,000
Did you speak at all?

1411
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,000
I don't know why, but the church you go to,

1412
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000
to your ministry or anything,

1413
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,000
you're pretty set.

1414
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Who would just tell it from everyone after you?

1415
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Matter of fact, I think he,

1416
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,000
I think he's a preacher of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

1417
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Didn't you tell me somebody had dropped that?

1418
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,000
A church.

1419
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,000
A tenacum church?

1420
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,000
Do you think there's any religious significance to this?

1421
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,000
I don't know, but he was very interested in this one.

1422
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,000
I mean, personally, you get the feel that

1423
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,000
there might be religious significance with this.

1424
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000
I'll say that then.

1425
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,000
Yeah, just as much as it's possible.

1426
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,000
I don't know, it's a resource.

1427
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000
My supply of questions.

1428
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,000
This must have been about four months ago

1429
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,000
that had happened since then, right?

1430
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,000
Yeah, the only poor mentor, I believe, for one,

1431
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,000
and various others have always

1432
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,000
spoken about some type of metal

1433
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,000
or a telepathic communication.

1434
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,000
Have you ever experienced anything like that?

1435
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000
I think he had.

1436
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,000
What he claimed, haven't he?

1437
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,000
Yeah, have you ever experienced anything similar?

1438
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,000
For me?

1439
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Yeah.

1440
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,000
No, just that night when I went upstairs,

1441
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,000
I just had a feeling I was going to see something.

1442
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,000
How, how, how is it?

1443
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,000
I had a fact I'm a, was student, a guy who wrote my book.

1444
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Well, that's when I got, uh, uh,

1445
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,000
Sputnik was in Sputnik.

1446
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000
He was called my work for the time.

1447
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Well, you're born in Mr. Tracksville, down here.

1448
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
Oh, I'm gone.

1449
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Oh, I'm gone.

1450
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,000
I'm all the way to the place where I thought I was going.

1451
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,000
We bought the sauce in 1949.

1452
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,000
Did you work for a paper mill out there?

1453
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,000
No, over here.

1454
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Oh, didn't one move from somewhere around Patterson

1455
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
or something down here?

1456
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,000
I don't know.